There was a time when, in the Western world, Christendom closely paralleled white European collective identity. More recently, it seems that almost every Christian denomination clamors for yet more non-white immigration in to white lands.
What passes for "faith" can be tricky business but many of us find it hard to believe that mere coincidence is at work when the geographical boundaries of major faiths just happen to coincide with ethnic boundaries - at least historically. Even though many a Catholic Mexican will claim, with a straight face, that his faith in the Trinity is strictly his own conviction and irrelevant to the fact that Catholic Spaniards conquered his forebears hundreds of years ago. The fact of the matter is that religion often goes hand in hand with ethnic identity. In this context I find it rather pathetic that most Filipinos claim Catholicism as their own. Ditto for so many Vietnamese.
From a strictly utilitarian perspective, would it be better for white nationalists to continue to consider themselves (even nominally) Christian or would it be better to reclaim pre-Christian European paganism as their own? At least European paganism is 100% indigenous European - not partially imported from the Middle East like Christianity - and not prone to sabotaging white interests like Christianity.
Not by a long shot am I an expert on the topic of European paganism or Christianity so this post is really an invitation for others, more knowledgeable than I, to put their two cents in.
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The problem with most paganism is that there is no authoratative scriptures. Many people like christianity is because there is a book full of writings people cane refer to. The only paganism I know of with scriptures is hinduism, which is a good religion.
ReplyDeleteWe have a pagan scripture. It's called 'history'. We have gods, they're called heroes. We have rituals, they're called schools. The problem is that we are no longer teaching our scripture in schools because under multiculturalism, Redistributive Democratic Secular Humanism (RDSH or 'red shift') is the current state religion.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is rituals. The greeks used plays and games as well as doctrinal rituals and temples. We have the matter of greece and rome, the matter of france, and the matter of england. We have folk and fairy tales. THe germans would have evolved a replacement pagan religion our of their rediscovery of greek literature if we had not conquered them. We call this the 'romantic' period. They almost did it.
All it takes to create a religion is a set of proscribed social and personal rituals, and the myths of ancestors or heroes, and a book or oral history. In our case, it's a book. Then you need a doctrine and a metaphysics. Since 'gods exist like numbers exist' as patterns in memory, it is possible to create an updated metaphysics based upon memories and an appeal to the 'gods' or heroes that exist in human memories.
I've written quite a bit on this. The problem with creating a religion is that it must solve a real social problem during a time of crisis. Multiple men in history have proved that it can be done.
We are just about there.
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Are you talking about ww1? Because in ww2 Germany was being a bit crazy.
ReplyDelete"All it takes to create a religion is a set of proscribed social and personal rituals, and the myths of ancestors or heroes, and a book or oral history."
ReplyDeleteI appreciate your thoughts on this topic. But I noticed you omitted reference to some code of conduct. Or was that included in the reference to doctrine and metaphysics? Also, you mention myths. Are you referring to simple allegories or something more mystical & supernatural? You were a little vague. So I'm just curious.
I agree with Curt. All we need is an honest description of history and current events that doesn't eviscerate white accomplishments.
ReplyDelete(I think in general, religion would be a poor forum for WN to emphasize, except to point out how non-Western ones discriminate against women. Why women are the strongest advocates of multi-culturalism when only Western cultures treat them as equals, is a mystery to me and IMO our most important PR frontier.)
Western cultures do discriminate against women by sexually objectifying them. Women are discriminated against in different ways in diferent culture, maybe there are some cultures that dont discriminate agianst them but Im not aware of any.
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ReplyDeleteThe above comment is directed at Curt Doolittle, Curt I hope you see the above comment and respond to it.
ReplyDeleteHalf my family is Christian (Roman Catholic); this came about because my mother converted to Judaism. Hence, while I am a full Jew by birth, Halachically, I am a half-Jew ethnically. Oy!
ReplyDeleteAnyway, having half a family that is Christian has given me much insight over my life into what Christians think about things. One thing I have noticed is that the doctrines of Christianity are easily twisted by leftists into ideas which work against the best interests of the White race.
While I think it is in many ways better for White Gentile people to remain Christians, I think they need to return to what I call a "hairy-chested" interpretation of their faith, as existed in the Middle Ages. That should protect them against the modern, watered-down, liberal interpretations which work against White interests.
I think the appeal of Christianity as a world religion is due to the fact that it teaches to "Go into all the World". Many, if not most, religions of the world are very tied to ethnicity and national origin and not meant to be terribly universal. The word "catholic" means universal BTW. Even Islam, which touts itself as being for everyone is in truth a worship of the 7th century Arabian peninsula culture. When a person converts to Islam they are encouraged to take an Arabic name, eat Middle Eastern food and dress in Islamic clothing. Converts to Christianity are able to keep their local cultures with a minimum of change.
ReplyDeleteYou can't disprove the truth of my statement
ReplyDeleteI hate a culture that objectifies women because it turns women into people overly concerned with the superficial and it turnd men into brutish sex robots
ReplyDeleteThis is an interesting topic. I myself was raised Catholic but right now I would consider myself to be some sort of a pagan/agnostic, if that makes sense. Growing up, going to church was a chore, I'd be bored and wanting to watch cartoons or sleep instead. The cynic in me says that Christianity sucks, so many Christians seem to be all about helping the poor in Africa or converting "heathens" so they can come to the states and mooch off of welfare. Or else it's those Rapture people who think they're going to lifted up into a big spaceship and everyone else is going to hell. And yet, Christianity is a main part of our European, White culture. The founders of this country were Christian, our laws are based on Christian themes and most people are Christians. Like Jewish White Nationalist said, maybe we ought to go back to a more medieval Christianity, without the persecution of heretics and the more superstitious stuff, it sure beats the Rapture and liberal wimps.
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ReplyDeleteLuther once compared the Old Testament or Tanach to the Old-German lawbook "Sachsenspiegel" - both as precursors of Christianity. This concept was worked out by the more moderate variant of "German Christians" under Hitler: Christianism as a universal religion who bridged different tribal traditions and rested on different tribal traditions - Jewish or pagan. Don't know if this would have worked, but it is one possible solution for the Problem.
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